Dear Car Talk,
I have a 2005 Mercury Sable with 37,000 miles and a brand-new battery. I recently took it to a local ASE-certified auto repair shop for starting problems. After having the car all day, the service manager gave me a written diagnosis, in which his mechanic claimed there was a slow current draw within the wiring inside the instrument panel. I was told that it would take two weeks for the panel to be sent away to have the wiring refurbished, at a cost of about $800. I paid for the diagnostic time, which was $120, and took the weekend to think about the larger repair. I decided to get a second opinion, so I took it to a Ford dealership, and quickly got a diagnosis as merely a faulty starter. They replaced my starter, and now the car starts great. I called the owner of the ASE shop to tell him that his mechanic had grossly misdiagnosed my car. I asked for half of the diagnostic fee back. This request was rejected out of hand, because he said the mechanic worked all day tracking down this wiring panel problem (which didn’t exist). What do you think of what happened? — Danny
The first mechanic went down what is called a rabbit hole, Danny. I’m sure his intentions were to solve your problem and make you happy. But he ended up wasting a day of his time — and $120 of your money.
My guess is that he suspected the starter, but when he tested it, it worked fine. I’m guessing that your “starting problem” was intermittent, right? Your car would start sometimes, and not start other times. That’s why you brought it in. That’s very common.
So, when the battery and starter tested fine for him, he checked for a current drain and found that something was drawing power from the battery when the car was turned off. He assumed that was the cause of your starting problem — that something was draining your battery to the point where it did not have enough power to start the engine. So he traced it as far as the instrument panel, and then ran out of daylight.
What he may not have known, and probably should have known, is that just about all cars these days have things that draw current when the car is off and the key is in your pocket. Things like the alarm system, the main computer, the body control module, the radio presets and the fuel vapor recovery system all can require some sustaining power, depending on the car. If you leave any modern car for two to three weeks nowadays, it won’t start, for exactly that reason.
So he accurately diagnosed a current drain, Danny, which is good. But what he diagnosed was a normal condition that has nothing to do with your starting problem, which is bad.
So you took it to the dealer, and the dealer knew, from experience, that the starters in these cars (like many starters) often fail intermittently. And the dealer made an educated guess that the starter was failing, and he replaced it (or he may have gotten lucky and seen it misbehave while he was testing it).
In any case, your car has been starting reliably ever since. Hopefully, since you wrote to me, it’s still starting reliably — in which case the dealer guessed correctly. If your car fails to start again, then perhaps the first guy was actually on to something. And maybe the current drain was not “normal,” but was caused by a wiring problem.
But my guess is that the first guy did his best but unfortunately didn’t have the knowledge or experience to know what a normal current drain should be.
If he really spent all day trying to track down your problem, then charging you $120 was already a concession (that’s the rate for an hour or maybe two of labor, depending on the shop). But if that were my shop, I still would have happily refunded you half the cost of the diagnosis, with an apology. Well, maybe not “happily”! But I would have done it, in the interests of fairness and good customer service.
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WHAT TO DO WITH A CAR WHOSE BACK SEAT HAS SEEN A LOT
Dear Car Talk:
My nephew lives in Spain. Last Friday night, his girlfriend went into labor, so they jumped into their 12-year-old Citroen Xsara and headed down from their remote mountaintop house toward the local hospital. They got only a couple of kilometers down the hill when little Rose couldn’t wait a moment longer, so there she was, born on the back seat of the car on some remote Spanish byway. Thankfully, they all eventually arrived in great style at the hospital, with a police escort and a celebrity welcome. My question is: Since this car is, by now, also part of the family, what should they do with it? — Quentin
It’s amazing what a central role back seats have played in the propagation of the species, isn’t it?
So, what should they do with this car? I’d say they should start with a good interior cleaning.
Longer-term, one idea is to hold on to the car until Rose is old enough to drive it herself. Wouldn’t that be a nice story? But then her parents would be punishing little Rose twice: Once by forcing her to come into the world in the back seat of a Citroen because they had to finish watching “The Real Housewives of Madrid” before heading to the hospital. And a second time by forcing her to drive what will be a 28-year-old car by the time she’s 16. A car that old will be three decades behind the times in safety features that could protect her from injury and possibly save her life.
So, rather than trying to preserve the car itself, I would suggest that the family do a good job of preserving the memory of this miraculous event. Get some great pictures of the whole family in and around the car. Document Rose with her 2002 Citroen midwife.
And then cherish the photos, tell Rose the story, and treat the car as a car. Keep the car as long as it’s useful and serves you well, and then, when that’s no longer the case: Adios!
Give my best to the family, Quentin.
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